Author Topic: iron sights and eyeglasses?? (sounds like the title to a Tom T Hall song)  (Read 6014 times)

J Patton

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 As I have drawn near and finally hit the 50 year old mark, I find the rear sight on my iron sighters are nothing but fuzz when I try to take aim. I use prescription reading glasses and have been diagnosed with stigmatism (distant images begin to blur when I look at them for a length of time). Wondering if anyone who wears glasses can tell me what works for them when they shoot open sights. An eye doctor told me he could set me up with trifocals. Sounds expensive and I don't know how practical they would be in a hunting situation. I use a scope on most of my rifles but have a flintlock and a 1885 Winchester that I would dearly love to shoot and hunt with. Any input or suggestions appreciated.      Jimmy
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Peep or aperture sights work well for target shooting but not so well for hunting. I wear trifocals but they are no help at all with standard open sights. I still shoot open sight on my muzzle loaders but only at targets. I have moved my rear sight forward onthe barrel and tha helps some. My hi-walls all have aperture sights and so does my lo-wall .22. Works on sillhouetes. BTW I dropped my reading prescription from my tri-focals and put the midrange in the lower portion of my glasses, I carry a cheap pair of reading glasses with me for close up stuff. Trifocals suck!!!

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...Trifocals suck!!!

Good Luck
H.G.


Thanks for the input. That's what I wanted, feedback from someone thats tried trifocals.   

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Jimmy I have trifocals and shoot iron sight rifles.  You are QUITE right about fuzzy rear sights and older eyes (by the way - you are still just a puppy).  If you look at some of the authentic muzzle loading rifles you can see some that they had the rear sights moved forward two or more times during their lives.  By moving the rear sight forward, the owners were getting the front and rear sights closer to the same focal plain as their eyesight worsened, they continued to move ther rear sights more forward.  It works and if you pick up a pistol you will see how much better you can see sights that are close together.

Now for the "fix" that does not aleter your guns.  I and a lot of other shooters have gone to a set of eyeglasses that are dedicated just to shooting.  The prescriptions are a compromise between seeing the sights and seeing the target.  A shooting Opthomologist can do this for you.  Dr. John Watkins is one such doc.  He will let you bring your gun to the Clinic and with his shooting experience and your input, he should be able to help you with a prescription for a set of shooting glasses.  John's office numbre is 227-6797 and he is a Club member.

Another trick is to shoot with no tint to the glass at all.  This causes the iris in your eye to become smaller (ie less light into your eye) and helps with focus.  An offshoot of this is a adjustable iris (I believe a company named Merit made them) that fits on your eyeglasses and can be adjusted down to a very small iris diameter which sharpens your ability to see your sights AND the target.

Hope this helps with your shooting,

George
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George,
 Thanks for the info. I think Dr. John Watkins may be the man I need to talk to. Will have to check and see if he accepts my insurance. I don't think I 'll go the modifying my firearms (moving the sights) route. Again, thanks.
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Ask your eye doc about peep sight ?lenses?.  I have seen discussions on-line regarding rear peep sight lenses available in different diopters.  They screw in, are legal for competition as long as they are not magnifying, and if your vision changes you can get a new one.  I can't for the life of me re-locate this info.  The stuff I read was concerning military rifle/milsurp competition shooting.  Mainly the M1A and the M1.  Let me know if the doc knows about this.


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I've scheduled an appointment with Dr. Watkins for next Monday. I'll ask about the peep sight lens.
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Re: iron sights and eyeglasses?? (sounds like the title to a Tom T Hall song)
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 05:17:42 pm »
Steven, I asked Dr. Watkins about the peep sight lens. He said he thought what you may be looking for can be found at 'Champions Choice'. I went to their website at   http://www.champchoice.com/default.aspx  and clicked on SIGHTS AND ACCESSORIES. Don't know if any of it is what you want, but it's worth checking out. As for my tired old eyes, he prescribed lined bifocals. Bottom for reading and the top for shooting, It will be Wed. before they will be in. Can't wait!! George, thanks for the Dr. Watkins recommendation. He seemed to be just the sort of eye doctor I was looking for.
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Re: iron sights and eyeglasses?? (sounds like the title to a Tom T Hall song)
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 10:08:03 pm »
WOW!  that site just about does it all.  thanks a lot.  now i have something to do for a good while.
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Re: iron sights and eyeglasses?? (sounds like the title to a Tom T Hall song)
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 05:17:03 pm »
You might want to consider a pair of Hi-Wyde shooting glasses.  These are frames with user-interchangeable lenses, made to your prescription.  I bought a pair of these in bifocals a coupla years ago, with two lenses for the right eye (the shooting eye, for me).  One is a normal bifocal, with the "close vision" lens at the bottom and the distance lens on top.  The other is the same prescription, but with the close vision section on top and the distance section at the bottom, just the reverse of a normal bifocal.  The left lens is normal (close bottom, distance top) so you can still see well up close--your eyes will automatically compensate for the situation.  whenever I want to use these glasses as normal sunglasses I just swap out the right "shooting" lens for the other, "normal" bifocal lens.  The swap is quick & easy.

You can check these out at http://www.sportglasses.com/  They are available in a wide variety of colors.  To order, you'll need your bifocal prescription and the distance from the bridge of your nose to the front sight.  Curiosly, I've found this to be about the same for me for both rifle and pistol.  BTW--I've found a peep sight to work best for me for all iron sight applications, including hunting, plinking and target shooting.  Just unscrew & remove the aperature from the rear sight for hunting to let in light.  Just like a so-called "ghost sight."  Then screw it back in for target shooting.

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Re: iron sights and eyeglasses?? (sounds like the title to a Tom T Hall song)
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 08:09:38 am »
Dr. Watkins fitted one of our best IDPA shooters with a pair of glasses that lets him see the sights with his dominant eye and see the target with his non dominat eye. 

I hear this has worked out GREAT!

Intersting.
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